Poll

If you wanted to be righteous which would be your ride?

Jaws
12 (14.5%)
Shark Fin
4 (4.8%)
Hand Job
9 (10.8%)
Lazy Boy
21 (25.3%)
Knuckle Dragger
2 (2.4%)
Pink Flamingo
13 (15.7%)
Neanderthal
3 (3.6%)
Indian Queen
2 (2.4%)
Spaced Out
3 (3.6%)
Last Century
1 (1.2%)
Springer
1 (1.2%)
Swinger
12 (14.5%)

Total Members Voted: 77

Voting closed: November 01, 2012, 21:28

Author Topic: Bike of the Month - October 2012  (Read 16203 times)

Offline springsoft

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #30 on: October 19, 2012, 00:01 »
#10 - least bastardised of the listed options, but the heart and soul of a Laverda is the engine, so taking the focus off that and onto the frame and controls etc is against the whole Laverda ethos, IMHO.

But but all of these are like being given the options of being shot, hanged, beheaded, garotted, etc. 
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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #31 on: October 19, 2012, 22:58 »
pretty terrible thing to do to any laverda, but one man's meat 'n all so i went for the simplest triple.............................lazy looker, too, could quite go for one like that!
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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #32 on: October 23, 2012, 14:40 »
Yeah, I just woke up.

Came down to three -
Pink Flamingo
Neanderthal
Spaced Out

I went for Neanderthal

I did like the the Shark Fin exhaust! way cool.

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #33 on: October 23, 2012, 23:42 »
No, sorry, just can't vote on this one. :(
(shit, just noticed 31 days in October!!)

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #34 on: October 25, 2012, 21:19 »
Won't vote on non Laverda's. Engines are nice. Rest is shit. Owners should be reported to the Laverda police... Offence: rape.
Looking forward to next vote ;)

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Update: Nah, don't report them. Just sell them to someone in need on an engine, and he'll make good use of it, and let the rest of us set fire the the crap.

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #35 on: October 25, 2012, 22:10 »
Won't vote on non Laverda's. Engines are nice. Rest is shit. Owners should be reported to the Laverda police... Offence: rape.
Looking forward to next vote ;)

Cheers,
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Update: Nah, don't report them. Just sell them to someone in need on an engine, and he'll make good use of it, and let the rest of us set fire the the crap.



Sorry Redfox but that seems a bit narrow minded to me. I suppose you would find it sacrilegious to put a Laverda engine into a Motodd, Harris, or Spondon frame? Rant over.

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #36 on: October 26, 2012, 00:49 »
G'day Dave

I can see Redfox's point (I haven't bothered to vote this time either). There's a big difference between Motodd, Harris, or Spondon frames, and chopper frames.

Motodd, Harris, and Spondon frames were designed to improve the bike's performance by replacing the original frame with a lighter, stiffer frame with better suspension, steering geometry and brakes. There was a definite engineering purpose. They may or may nor have achieved all that was expected of them, but at least the designers were making intelligent attempts to improve the bike. They all made a useful contribution to the general evolution of the motorcycle.

Choppers on the other hand are nothing more than a fashion statement, and a bad one at that. Their creators put no thought into safety or performance. They are a blight on motorcycle engineering and shouldn't be allowed to pass roadwothy inspections.

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #37 on: October 26, 2012, 07:55 »
November soon!
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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #38 on: October 26, 2012, 09:48 »
November soon!
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More advance planning than normal this month so it should be good. Some difficult choices for voters to make.

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #39 on: October 26, 2012, 10:04 »

Choppers on the other hand are nothing more than a fashion statement, and a bad one at that. Their creators put no thought into safety or performance. They are a blight on motorcycle engineering and shouldn't be allowed to pass roadwothy inspections.


I'm going to take a minor issue with that - I've seen (& ridden) some very nimble handling chops. I've also ridden (& declined rides on) some effing horrors. In many cases you're absolutely wrong to say that the builders put no thought into safety or performance.

In terms of being allowed to pass roadworthyness inspections, how are you going to define a chopper so as not to prevent other aftermarket frames being disallowed? At what point does a chop shade into a streetfighter, or a cafe racer?

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #40 on: October 26, 2012, 11:56 »
Apologies for including a Harley on this superb site ;) Admitedly there are many poor examples of "custom" machinery out there, but there are some fine examples of engineering as well.  


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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #41 on: October 26, 2012, 12:40 »
I wouldn't call chopper building engineering, more how to connect as many bought-in bling components with no regard for structural integrity, solid engineering and common sense.
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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #42 on: October 26, 2012, 13:35 »
Scrumpy,

Your example is a fine one for explaining what todays choppers/custom bikes really are, show items, nothing more.  They are built with a complete disregard to legal requirements, creature comfort or safety and are not meant to be ridden in todays traffic conditions.  How some of these creations manage to comply for registration in some parts of the world surely beats me.

While it may be nicely executed as far as handcrafting goes, that black thing is surely not an example of fine engineering.  It kills all motorcycle basics from the onset.  The frame will flex more than wet spaghetti, if not from the power of the engine (in most cases, much more than enough) then by the forces induced by cornering, etc.  The rear tyre prohibits decent cornering anyway, as does the lack of ground clearance.  The sheer noise that the engine emits will soon have the neighbours throwing stones, rider ergonomics will see to it that possible excursions remain in the 15 miles range... ;D

Best to exhibit it, snap up a trophy and wheel it back on the trailer.  I do sometimes admire the handiwork and the ability of the builder to turn his imagination into metal on some of these contraptions, but generally consider them as a total waste of time, money and resources.

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #43 on: October 26, 2012, 15:01 »
hmm, I wouldn't have called those horrors Scrumpy posted "motorcycles" - they're built to look striking rather than be ridden.

There's a bloke lives just up the street from me who built a chop over (I think) last winter - looks like a Z1000 engine in a rigid frame. Doesn't appear to have a single bit of innovative or clever engineering about it but he rides every day & commutes in & out of Glasgow on it. Aileen has complained in the past that he holds her up on the fast slip road because he runs out of ground clearance at 75 and her bonnevile doesn't...

When I'm defending chops (& customs generally) against the charge of being dangerous lash-ups built "with no regard for structural integrity, solid engineering and common sense" I'm more thinking of the ones I actually see on the road out and about - they may not be as cutting edge as the horrid tat you see on tv or in custard shows but they generally seem to work adequately & can be built pretty cheaply* as long as you're happy to use second hand parts

Bob

* mate of mine built a GPz1100 chop a couple of years back - paid a reputable frame builder to modify (rake & hardtail) a 10 Z1000J frame, used a 50 set of CB900 forks, spent 20 on GS550 wheels & brakes, wired & painted it himself & got the rest at autojumbles - if my memory serves the total cost was under 1000 including the MOT. I don't actually like the thing but it handles much better than I expected, tracks straight at 90mph (he reckons it goes much faster but I ran out of room) and stops adequately.

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Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
« Reply #44 on: October 26, 2012, 22:54 »
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In terms of being allowed to pass roadworthyness inspections, how are you going to define a chopper so as not to prevent other aftermarket frames being disallowed? At what point does a chop shade into a streetfighter, or a cafe racer?


OK, point taken. Perhaps we don't need to give the authorities more ammunition to shoot at custom motorcycles, otherwise most of our Laverdas would be put off the road. Who rides a stock bike as it came from the factory?

However, I stand by my comment that many choppers are unroadworthy, and are built to a foolish design brief. The chopper fashion of extreme rake angles and fork lengths, coupled with solid rear ends, low cornering clearance and small (or no) front brake is just bad functional design.

The difference between chopper designers and real motorcycle designers is that the chopper builder's prime consideration is what it'll look like. It's more akin to a work of art than a functional machine. A flashy-looking work of art that roughly resembles a motorcycle doesn't make it a good motorcycle. A real motorcyle designer's primary concern is whether it works well. What it looks like is a secondary consideration - the aesthetics are built around a sound engineering design.

You never see a chopper-style bike competing on race tracks, which is clear testimony to their unsuitability as road machines. The raked front end and the resultant extreme trail measurement would give them good straight line stability, and the long forks would inhibit wheelies. So the only application for which the design makes sense is drag racing.

I think in some parts of the world, custom vehicles are required to obtain a mechanical engineer's certificate as a first step towards it MOT. Not a bad idea.

I don't doubt that there are some choppers that are relatively OK to ride on the road, but there are also some godawful monstrosities that should never have been wheeled out of the shed. I've actually seen one broken in half on the side of the road. The forks snapped off where the extension was welded on. It fell apart at about 120kph. The rider (who I knew) was wearing one of those stupid little matt black "acorn cap" helmets that seem to be mandatory for that type of bike, jeans and no gloves. He was incredibly lucky to escape with only minor injuries - a lot of gravel rash but no broken bones.

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