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Title: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: pf1 on October 30, 2019, 17:48
Might be a good buy for someone, no reserve.

https://www.brightwells.com/lot-details/100011768

180 degree crank triple cylinder Jota look-alike from 22 year ownership; has been sat in storage for the last five years; needs some recommissioning and showing just 21,000 miles with an engine rebuild by Slaters 20 years ago

Registration TTM 228R

Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Triggermann on October 30, 2019, 18:09
UK licencing shows it as a green coloured Lavereda  (that's the spelling),  first registered 1st April 1977.

No annual MOT inspection,  so no guarantee of mileage.

Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: pf1 on October 30, 2019, 18:26
You take pot luck with these auctions Triggermann, it doesn't look too bad to me and I'd take a punt on it. The colour was probably originally green, someone has painted the frame silver in a fit of enthusiasm too but it's easily sorted.
I would pay up to £3500 for that bike probably, what do you reckon it's worth?
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Triggermann on October 30, 2019, 21:22
Difficult for me to give it a fair value.
The pictures are poor, there's at least one side panel missing, it's supposedly had an engine rebuild,  yet it's only showing 20,000 miles,  the DVLA (UK Licencing)  say it's never had an MOT (annual road worthiness test).

Too many variables without seeing it in the flesh.

I'd pay £2,500 maximum,  assuming everything is straight. Then if the engine etc is good youd have a bargain.

Andy
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Vince on October 30, 2019, 23:49
Whats a 1977 3C, that's a pretty high engine number for a 3C but about right for a 77 3CL. But its definitely a wire wheel 3C. Pictures are horrible, you would want better pics for sure.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: pf1 on October 31, 2019, 07:47
It's probably one that was lying around unsold Vince, everybody wanted cast wheels back then. It would be registered in 1977 but the factory did make another small batch of 3C's too so it could be a very late one.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: swesty on October 31, 2019, 12:17
When you say never had an mot, read that as hasn't had one since computerised records started circa 2006.


the DVLA (UK Licencing)  say it's never had an MOT
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Triggermann on October 31, 2019, 14:00
When you say never had an mot, read that as hasn't had one since computerised records started circa 2006.

I accept that. But the ad says IN STORAGE FOR 5 YEARS. Not 14 years so,  it should show on the MOT search. Too many warning signals for me. A bike you'd really have to see in front of you to get a feel for it's condition.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Smartv11 on October 31, 2019, 15:46
Classic values seem to be falling
This will probably not meet its reserve
Would be my guess
Paul
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: pf1 on October 31, 2019, 17:27
There is no reserve
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Andy J on October 31, 2019, 17:28
I would say Ďas isí itís a £2.5-3k gamble. If in the flesh it looks better than the photos maybe £3.5k but still a gamble. Even if it only needs light Ďrestorationí to get it road worthy, itís still not going to be worth a lot more than itís cost you, but who cares if you just want to ride it. And if itís knackered then itís almost definitely going to be worth less after itís rebuilt than it will have cost to rebuild it. But again if you plan to keep it for a few years and get the value back out of the enjoyment of owning and riding it, happy days.
I say this after having had a different 3C offered to me in the last few days, in probably similar condition, and I applied the same logic. The seller is therefore hoping to find someone else who is prepared to take the gamble and pay more than I am. Good luck to all concerned......
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Docho on November 07, 2019, 13:53
Try caranalytics if you require further info, gives more info than DVLA though it does cost £7.99.....
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: pf1 on November 28, 2019, 13:13
Well somebody loved it......I believe it sold for £6200
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Laverdaton on November 28, 2019, 13:21
I went to view it on Tuesday evening and was a telephone bidder today but not the bid winner.
....Will the real slim shady  buyer please stand up.....?
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Lee87H on November 28, 2019, 14:20
With #5039 it looks like a very late 3C, #5037 is showing as a Jota, maybe the buyer knew something we don't, or took a gamble.Lots of potential though.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Laverdaton on November 28, 2019, 14:38
Jota with a rear drum brake?
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Lee87H on November 28, 2019, 15:10
Jota with a rear drum brake?
No ones perfect, how about a 3CE.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: laverdas on November 28, 2019, 16:32
So if its green and shows up as a Jota then it's a good price. my 3ce is engine number 28** registered in late 75
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: LJ-2 on November 28, 2019, 16:45
It was a very late 3C.  ,I went up with Alan but lots of bidders in house and online,
 Good in the fact it"s showing Laverda prices are good for 3Cs,some parts /service history mainly at Motodd, some parts receipts at Slaters (but no rebuild methinks) and Muira at £6.2K plus 12% commission and 20% VAT ends up as an expensive purchase.
However if you want a 3C which seemed fairly complete except panels (had a very early unlabelled electronic iginition on it)untouched for 12 years it will be good restoration to keep.,Chrome all rusted but stainless exhaust system all good and frame in vgc.Seat pan original under the recovering.

(https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/49137343838_9f50d2fae8_k.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/2hS6Jpq)
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Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: pf1 on November 28, 2019, 16:57
Top bikes the 3C's Shaun  ;)
This must be very nearly the last one then?
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: LJ-2 on November 28, 2019, 17:26
Indeed!, one other listed after this one on registry.Good day out thanks for finding it Pat.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Lee87H on November 28, 2019, 17:33
Shaun I was just saying one very near that one was listed as a Jota, this one is not on the registry, Also I'm am very lucky to have bought my 3C when I did,
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: LJ-2 on November 28, 2019, 17:37
I prob misread the registry with my eyesight Lee. :D One of the last though.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Paul Marx on November 28, 2019, 19:13
I seem to remember wire wheels being mentioned as optional in France when the 3CL came out in 76.

Paul
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Grant on November 28, 2019, 19:36
With drum rear?
Would require a frame change.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: helicopterjim on November 29, 2019, 00:06
With drum rear?
Would require a frame change.

What is the insurmountable difference?
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Vince on November 29, 2019, 00:20
I would think toque arm mount to stop the drum brake spinning with the wheel and the rear brake pedal. The right side rear drum brake pedal needed a very long cable that went around the wheel front and connected to the brake on the left side. It was an odd bit of engineering to get it to comply with the new regs for the left gear change.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Grant on November 29, 2019, 03:47
And the mounting point for the end of the brake cable that was on the frame. (left side in countries unaffected by the left foot change hysteria).
In fact I recall the mounting point was on both sides to allow for this option.
Title: Re: 3C needing work at auction UK November
Post by: Paul Marx on November 29, 2019, 07:51
With drum rear?
Would require a frame change.

Of course. When written optional, you need to interpret, getting rid of old stock.

Paul