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Title: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Scrumpy on October 01, 2012, 22:28
They still love their Lavs.

Happy voting ;D

Scrumpy

(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KwQ8UovSsYQ/UFzXABKh-xI/AAAAAAAAFXw/UwVWd99RQ60/s800/43294fbf3ff22ff62.jpg)(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BmsKpfOuFwM/UFzW-snegqI/AAAAAAAAFXI/j2H4YdMIM2I/s500/%2524%2528KGrHqMOKjsE1qt8045HBNdIMYqR%252Cw%257E%257E_12.jpg)(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-memltEmHDl4/UFzW_uKfooI/AAAAAAAAFXc/aPGMG2mlySc/s500/109628097_2-hardtail-eigenbouw-laverda-1000.jpg)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Id2yH5mqSwo/UFzW_-FP68I/AAAAAAAAFXs/9tGkfuS7XsA/s800/3c_chop.JPG)(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZnN6ljYVcZ0/UFzXCnfpGuI/AAAAAAAAFYg/tewQlHeGC04/s640/Afbeelding031%252520%255B0%255D.jpg)(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NEgeka9u8Fs/UFzXDkag3eI/AAAAAAAAFY8/nn9L52JkcLQ/s750/laverdascialinosett.jpg)(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9dwGWUx3jqE/UFzW9sBLXiI/AAAAAAAAFW4/SiuIX-i6_yI/s500/%2521Bfp-zp%2521CGk%257E%2524%2528KGrHqMOKjsEry10Wjk%252BBLCQkM%2521dpw%257E%257E_12.jpg) (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xiGJo2BKGOg/UFzXDaV_KcI/AAAAAAAAFYo/hMoBcrdrGPs/s625/laverda%2520chopper.jpg) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BX8DxtuiJdQ/UFzXA-BCYOI/AAAAAAAAFYA/wifjgOhPYH4/s640/6375755932.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RIx2-ovFrvM/UFzXCaRtcsI/AAAAAAAAFYY/rJw9gYGe0QM/s353/bad750.gif) (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AAK27EEGB7o/UFzXAdVYYTI/AAAAAAAAFX0/83oi9ffbsGc/s400/480_480_480_DSC00016.jpg) (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mP8oHmKHe3g/UFzhNSwVB5I/AAAAAAAAFZo/VfPntW1cC8w/s500/3103657.jpg)

Option 1: Jaws
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-KwQ8UovSsYQ/UFzXABKh-xI/AAAAAAAAFXw/UwVWd99RQ60/s800/43294fbf3ff22ff62.jpg)
Option 2: Shark Fin
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-BmsKpfOuFwM/UFzW-snegqI/AAAAAAAAFXI/j2H4YdMIM2I/s500/%2524%2528KGrHqMOKjsE1qt8045HBNdIMYqR%252Cw%257E%257E_12.jpg)
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-R7n-QJbpOqw/UFzW-jLCbrI/AAAAAAAAFXM/ZtL48m8Zjrw/s500/%2524%2528KGrHqMOKpoE1qp6syhCBNdIG8s-JQ%257E%257E_12.jpg)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-wmiinN86Xmc/UFzW-57k0PI/AAAAAAAAFXU/rouTQmANJbU/s500/%2524%2528KGrHqQOKjwE0%252BsooBwMBNdIKiW%2528wQ%257E%257E_12.jpg)
Option 3: Hand Job
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-memltEmHDl4/UFzW_uKfooI/AAAAAAAAFXc/aPGMG2mlySc/s500/109628097_2-hardtail-eigenbouw-laverda-1000.jpg)
Option 4: Lazy Boy
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-Id2yH5mqSwo/UFzW_-FP68I/AAAAAAAAFXs/9tGkfuS7XsA/s800/3c_chop.JPG)
Option 5: Knuckle Dragger
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-ZnN6ljYVcZ0/UFzXCnfpGuI/AAAAAAAAFYg/tewQlHeGC04/s640/Afbeelding031%252520%255B0%255D.jpg)
Option 6: Pink Flamingo
 (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-NEgeka9u8Fs/UFzXDkag3eI/AAAAAAAAFY8/nn9L52JkcLQ/s750/laverdascialinosett.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-L0czbBCXyxw/UFzXD9bDNfI/AAAAAAAAFY0/PNBJnNfkzdg/s750/laverdascialinosett2.jpg)
 (https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Ezq8Q6hEu_U/UFzXEA1vqFI/AAAAAAAAFZA/bWUSl-A1eNs/s750/laverdascialinosett3.jpg)
Option 7: Neanderthal
 (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9dwGWUx3jqE/UFzW9sBLXiI/AAAAAAAAFW4/SiuIX-i6_yI/s500/%2521Bfp-zp%2521CGk%257E%2524%2528KGrHqMOKjsEry10Wjk%252BBLCQkM%2521dpw%257E%257E_12.jpg)
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-9dwGWUx3jqE/UFzW9sBLXiI/AAAAAAAAFW4/SiuIX-i6_yI/s500/%2521Bfp-zp%2521CGk%257E%2524%2528KGrHqMOKjsEry10Wjk%252BBLCQkM%2521dpw%257E%257E_12.jpg)
 (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-9YUJ9Jqg-WU/UFzW9hscEAI/AAAAAAAAFXA/MY-_OY-ia78/s500/%2521Bfp-yc%2521Bmk%257E%2524%2528KGrHqQOKjwEr%2529%252B%2521KG2%2529BLCQkGHLFQ%257E%257E_12.jpg)
Option 8: Indian Queen
 (https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-xiGJo2BKGOg/UFzXDaV_KcI/AAAAAAAAFYo/hMoBcrdrGPs/s625/laverda%2520chopper.jpg)
Option 9: Spaced Out
 (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-BX8DxtuiJdQ/UFzXA-BCYOI/AAAAAAAAFYA/wifjgOhPYH4/s640/6375755932.jpg)
Option 10: Last Century
 (https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-RIx2-ovFrvM/UFzXCaRtcsI/AAAAAAAAFYY/rJw9gYGe0QM/s353/bad750.gif)
Option 11: Springer
 (https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-AAK27EEGB7o/UFzXAdVYYTI/AAAAAAAAFX0/83oi9ffbsGc/s400/480_480_480_DSC00016.jpg)
Option 12: Swinger
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-mP8oHmKHe3g/UFzhNSwVB5I/AAAAAAAAFZo/VfPntW1cC8w/s500/3103657.jpg)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-vq8xz0xdz20/UFzhNQlJxQI/AAAAAAAAFZs/KhJvr-BiQGg/s500/3103659.jpg)

Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: lemonjelly on October 01, 2012, 22:31
no 4 for me Jack. Lazy Boy.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: sfcpiet on October 01, 2012, 22:39
Haven't taken part for a while because the latest selections didn't turn me on.  These really turn me off, but it's gotta be Pink Flamingo for me.

Only example displaying out of the box thinking and imagination imho, looks to be quite well executed too, even though it is fugly as hell... ;D

What a pitiful waste of time, money and a bunch of bloody good bikes! :o

piet
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: 3patC on October 01, 2012, 22:49
No 4 is sort of ok ????? eeek! .........but if you're going for seventies kitch it's 8.

Are choppers 70's kitch?

Kitch is an inferior, tasteless copy of an extant style of art or a worthless imitation of art of recognized value,,,wikipedia

I would go down the pub on 8.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: chrisk on October 02, 2012, 01:47
3. But only because I've always thought a handjob to be, almost, as good as a bobber (BJ).  :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

 
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Dellortoman on October 02, 2012, 04:07
You've gotta be kidding  :o

I abstain. None of them deserves a vote.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Terry Dymond on October 02, 2012, 04:48
No 4 for me, gets the nod over #12; these two seem to be the only ones that were built to be ridden IMHO
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Yogi on October 02, 2012, 08:01
Jaws for me - I think it might be the mo...

Yogi
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Davo on October 02, 2012, 15:33
What a cluster fuck. Death by torture just looking at them. No vote from me.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: mar on October 02, 2012, 17:29
No vote from me!!!

In fact the addresses of the owners should be made public in order for the bikes to be confiscated and given to good homes.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: wulfsfc on October 02, 2012, 17:43
No3 for me!

Bobber and the cleanest one!

Cheers,
Wulf
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Tom Eatman on October 02, 2012, 23:48
OK, they're all sort of wierd and strange but some of these examples had a lot of heart and energy  put into them. The idea of building a triple with extended springer forks, Tricolore Italian flag metallic paint scheme on a peanut tank, and three fish-tail exhaust system seems cool. It just strikes me as a lot of these things are missing the last bit of detail work to make them into something that could be appreciated. I admit to personally being more of the rivet counter sort but at least none of them are blatant orange and are at least different. The Hand Job got my vote, less is more. What would Scrumpy call it if it had a 120 engine stuffed into it? The Horror...

Tom
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: andychain on October 03, 2012, 00:03
Hand job for me............................please

No seriously it is actually quite nice and very uncluttered.

I especially like the stick shift.

Andy
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: poffer on October 03, 2012, 00:04
Good grief Scumpy - you really are scraping the barrel - they are truly dreadful  ::)

I guess if I have to vote - my vote is for the barrel you just scraped - more class and style than any of the above  :-*

Pete
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: John B on October 03, 2012, 09:33
Bit early for Halloween scrumps  ;)
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Koch on October 03, 2012, 17:26
Sacrilege, no votes here. ;)
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Grant on October 03, 2012, 17:32
Don't be too hard on Scrumpy.
Does anyone have any idea how difficult it must be to compile a fresh list every month?
He has tried many angles and has even resorted to subterfuge to make us click on the link to the voting...  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: laverdakeith on October 03, 2012, 18:06

 Never mind poor Scrumpy, I actually own No4. Good job my feelings are not easy hurt.  8)



     Keith
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: sfcpiet on October 03, 2012, 18:40

 Never mind poor Scrumpy, I actually own No4. Good job my feelings are not easy hurt.  8)



     Keith

Blimey Keith,!

That's quite some confession! :o ;D

Don't think I would have dared that...  :-X

piet
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Cosi on October 04, 2012, 10:35
He didnt say he rides it Piet  ;)

12, swinging all the way baby, i reckon it looks like it would work, well much better than the rest
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: sfc1000uk on October 04, 2012, 12:48

 Never mind poor Scrumpy, I actually own No4. Good job my feelings are not easy hurt.  8)



     Keith

Hmm, is it for sale? (stupid question, everything is for sale at the right price)

Might be a Laverda that Aileen could ride.

 ;D
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Brian. on October 04, 2012, 22:24

 Never mind poor Scrumpy, I actually own No4. Good job my feelings are not easy hurt.  8)

How does the misses like that pillion seat?
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: redax5 on October 04, 2012, 22:40

 Never mind poor Scrumpy, I actually own No4. Good job my feelings are not easy hurt.  8)



     Keith

step up from your RGS then
 :D
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Scrumpy on October 04, 2012, 22:54
Should have added this for you abstainees.

(http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/Gallery/Laverda%20125CU%20Ride.jpg)
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Cosi on October 05, 2012, 08:43
dont be dissing the hidaglo man, she woulda been a cool ride with its 125cc of throbbing power
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: markQLD on October 06, 2012, 00:51
reckon i'd cruise to the Oz Rally on the 668,
forward controls, way too kool !!
(http://i1234.photobucket.com/albums/ff417/markQLD/z%20marks%20stuff/668-hidalgo-89_zpseb2f1bec.jpg)

 1st vote for #11 Springer,
:  springer forks, ape-hangers, forward controls and a sissy bar.
ticks all the boxes !!  bloody obvious i reckon.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: chrisk on October 06, 2012, 10:33
Pewk.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: drikko on October 07, 2012, 13:24
You could always add some bars like these.....

(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/--hmCP6j2YCY/UHFz5q4HH4I/AAAAAAAADZ4/0QzaQlaLcss/s800/hugeapesgt9.jpg)
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Motostratos on October 11, 2012, 18:37
Bloody horrible the lot of 'em.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Dave "SPIDER" Holder on October 12, 2012, 22:45
I was tempted to go and look a no/12 as it wasn't far from home, then I could have rescued it from an inglorious demise, but sense prevailed as I have enough projects on the go for this and my next lifetime.
Forks look interesting on no/2, wonder what they came off.
All pretty nasty mind you, but I will vote coz Scrumpy is doing a damned fine job here, it must be getting hard finding new pics for the Aussies to berate!  ;)
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: springsoft on October 19, 2012, 00:01
#10 - least bastardised of the listed options, but the heart and soul of a Laverda is the engine, so taking the focus off that and onto the frame and controls etc is against the whole Laverda ethos, IMHO.

But but all of these are like being given the options of being shot, hanged, beheaded, garotted, etc. 
Bad choices are no choice at all     :(
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: henry on October 19, 2012, 22:58
pretty terrible thing to do to any laverda, but one man's meat 'n all so i went for the simplest triple.............................lazy looker, too, could quite go for one like that!
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: DungeonMaster on October 23, 2012, 14:40
Yeah, I just woke up.

Came down to three -
Pink Flamingo
Neanderthal
Spaced Out

I went for Neanderthal

I did like the the Shark Fin exhaust! way cool.

DM
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Clumber981 on October 23, 2012, 23:42
No, sorry, just can't vote on this one. :(
(shit, just noticed 31 days in October!!)
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: redfox on October 25, 2012, 21:19
Won't vote on non Laverda's. Engines are nice. Rest is shit. Owners should be reported to the Laverda police... Offence: rape.
Looking forward to next vote ;)

Cheers,
Redfox.

Update: Nah, don't report them. Just sell them to someone in need on an engine, and he'll make good use of it, and let the rest of us set fire the the crap.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: dja981 on October 25, 2012, 22:10
Won't vote on non Laverda's. Engines are nice. Rest is shit. Owners should be reported to the Laverda police... Offence: rape.
Looking forward to next vote ;)

Cheers,
Redfox.

Update: Nah, don't report them. Just sell them to someone in need on an engine, and he'll make good use of it, and let the rest of us set fire the the crap.



Sorry Redfox but that seems a bit narrow minded to me. I suppose you would find it sacrilegious to put a Laverda engine into a Motodd, Harris, or Spondon frame? Rant over.

                                                                                             Dave
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Dellortoman on October 26, 2012, 00:49
G'day Dave

I can see Redfox's point (I haven't bothered to vote this time either). There's a big difference between Motodd, Harris, or Spondon frames, and chopper frames.

Motodd, Harris, and Spondon frames were designed to improve the bike's performance by replacing the original frame with a lighter, stiffer frame with better suspension, steering geometry and brakes. There was a definite engineering purpose. They may or may nor have achieved all that was expected of them, but at least the designers were making intelligent attempts to improve the bike. They all made a useful contribution to the general evolution of the motorcycle.

Choppers on the other hand are nothing more than a fashion statement, and a bad one at that. Their creators put no thought into safety or performance. They are a blight on motorcycle engineering and shouldn't be allowed to pass roadwothy inspections.

Cheers,
Cam
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Paul Marx on October 26, 2012, 07:55
November soon!
Paul
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Scrumpy on October 26, 2012, 09:48
November soon!
Paul

More advance planning than normal this month so it should be good. Some difficult choices for voters to make.

Scrumpy
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: sfc1000uk on October 26, 2012, 10:04

Choppers on the other hand are nothing more than a fashion statement, and a bad one at that. Their creators put no thought into safety or performance. They are a blight on motorcycle engineering and shouldn't be allowed to pass roadwothy inspections.


I'm going to take a minor issue with that - I've seen (& ridden) some very nimble handling chops. I've also ridden (& declined rides on) some effing horrors. In many cases you're absolutely wrong to say that the builders put no thought into safety or performance.

In terms of being allowed to pass roadworthyness inspections, how are you going to define a chopper so as not to prevent other aftermarket frames being disallowed? At what point does a chop shade into a streetfighter, or a cafe racer?
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Scrumpy on October 26, 2012, 11:56
Apologies for including a Harley on this superb site ;) Admitedly there are many poor examples of "custom" machinery out there, but there are some fine examples of engineering as well.  

Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Grant on October 26, 2012, 12:40
I wouldn't call chopper building engineering, more how to connect as many bought-in bling components with no regard for structural integrity, solid engineering and common sense.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: sfcpiet on October 26, 2012, 13:35
Scrumpy,

Your example is a fine one for explaining what todays choppers/custom bikes really are, show items, nothing more.  They are built with a complete disregard to legal requirements, creature comfort or safety and are not meant to be ridden in todays traffic conditions.  How some of these creations manage to comply for registration in some parts of the world surely beats me.

While it may be nicely executed as far as handcrafting goes, that black thing is surely not an example of fine engineering.  It kills all motorcycle basics from the onset.  The frame will flex more than wet spaghetti, if not from the power of the engine (in most cases, much more than enough) then by the forces induced by cornering, etc.  The rear tyre prohibits decent cornering anyway, as does the lack of ground clearance.  The sheer noise that the engine emits will soon have the neighbours throwing stones, rider ergonomics will see to it that possible excursions remain in the 15 miles range... ;D

Best to exhibit it, snap up a trophy and wheel it back on the trailer.  I do sometimes admire the handiwork and the ability of the builder to turn his imagination into metal on some of these contraptions, but generally consider them as a total waste of time, money and resources.

piet
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: sfc1000uk on October 26, 2012, 15:01
hmm, I wouldn't have called those horrors Scrumpy posted "motorcycles" - they're built to look striking rather than be ridden.

There's a bloke lives just up the street from me who built a chop over (I think) last winter - looks like a Z1000 engine in a rigid frame. Doesn't appear to have a single bit of innovative or clever engineering about it but he rides every day & commutes in & out of Glasgow on it. Aileen has complained in the past that he holds her up on the fast slip road because he runs out of ground clearance at 75 and her bonnevile doesn't...

When I'm defending chops (& customs generally) against the charge of being dangerous lash-ups built "with no regard for structural integrity, solid engineering and common sense" I'm more thinking of the ones I actually see on the road out and about - they may not be as cutting edge as the horrid tat you see on tv or in custard shows but they generally seem to work adequately & can be built pretty cheaply* as long as you're happy to use second hand parts

Bob

* mate of mine built a GPz1100 chop a couple of years back - paid a reputable frame builder to modify (rake & hardtail) a 10 Z1000J frame, used a 50 set of CB900 forks, spent 20 on GS550 wheels & brakes, wired & painted it himself & got the rest at autojumbles - if my memory serves the total cost was under 1000 including the MOT. I don't actually like the thing but it handles much better than I expected, tracks straight at 90mph (he reckons it goes much faster but I ran out of room) and stops adequately.
Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: Dellortoman on October 26, 2012, 22:54
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In terms of being allowed to pass roadworthyness inspections, how are you going to define a chopper so as not to prevent other aftermarket frames being disallowed? At what point does a chop shade into a streetfighter, or a cafe racer?


OK, point taken. Perhaps we don't need to give the authorities more ammunition to shoot at custom motorcycles, otherwise most of our Laverdas would be put off the road. Who rides a stock bike as it came from the factory?

However, I stand by my comment that many choppers are unroadworthy, and are built to a foolish design brief. The chopper fashion of extreme rake angles and fork lengths, coupled with solid rear ends, low cornering clearance and small (or no) front brake is just bad functional design.

The difference between chopper designers and real motorcycle designers is that the chopper builder's prime consideration is what it'll look like. It's more akin to a work of art than a functional machine. A flashy-looking work of art that roughly resembles a motorcycle doesn't make it a good motorcycle. A real motorcyle designer's primary concern is whether it works well. What it looks like is a secondary consideration - the aesthetics are built around a sound engineering design.

You never see a chopper-style bike competing on race tracks, which is clear testimony to their unsuitability as road machines. The raked front end and the resultant extreme trail measurement would give them good straight line stability, and the long forks would inhibit wheelies. So the only application for which the design makes sense is drag racing.

I think in some parts of the world, custom vehicles are required to obtain a mechanical engineer's certificate as a first step towards it MOT. Not a bad idea.

I don't doubt that there are some choppers that are relatively OK to ride on the road, but there are also some godawful monstrosities that should never have been wheeled out of the shed. I've actually seen one broken in half on the side of the road. The forks snapped off where the extension was welded on. It fell apart at about 120kph. The rider (who I knew) was wearing one of those stupid little matt black "acorn cap" helmets that seem to be mandatory for that type of bike, jeans and no gloves. He was incredibly lucky to escape with only minor injuries - a lot of gravel rash but no broken bones.

Cheers,
Cam

Title: Re: Bike of the Month - October 2012
Post by: redfox on October 27, 2012, 01:03
Hi Dave and all others,
Yes, call me narrow-minded. Or even something else. In this case I shall take it as a nice compliment ;) But I never ever really liked or saw anything special or attractive about any chopper. To me they are utterly crap.
No, I really like the other efforts like spondon and many others, of designing a frame or a rolling chassis for various Laverda engines.
I know they are not popular, but I really like the Cico bikes. I like some spondon ones and so on and on. Nice bikes and rare as hens teeth. Would like to have one. The late american who build a very modern looking orange Lav. 1000 (can't remember name right now), is really nice and roadworthy attempt to improve on the matter.
And I should say I normally don't like anything american, apart from a very limited items like the original Litespeed titan bicycle road race bike frames of which I have one myself. Limitless perfection and driveability and lots of love for it. Sublime springs into mind.
I don't really always see a motorcycle as something a hooigan or a rocker should wear as a tatoo, if you catch my point. I see motorcycles and Laverda in particular as very good and nice designed motorcycles that is NOT a "1 + 1 = 2" thing, but more like the "1 + 1 = 3". That the common third is more than the sum of ingredients.

When I formed the Italian Fraction many years ago, we spoke about an idea of going downtown in wintertime and deflate the off-road motorcycles, as they should have no chance of driving when we did not. Never became a reality, naturally. But you get my point. I don't like boring motorcycles without a passion and good driving abilities. In fact I only like Laverda's in general and a few MV's.
Happy to be narrow minded in this respect.

Hope that clarifies the matter.
No choppers forme, and NEVER EVER with a great Laverda engine. EVER.
Have nothing to do with a motorcycle.
So no vote from me, but an oppinion of course ;)  ;)  ;)

Cheers,
Redfox.